Stans Netchess Trophy Player Profiles.

[joblack]

Joblack v Comet
First named player is white...why did you reject my challeng?

[Comet]

Hello john white (aka joblack),

I supplied the following reason when I rejected your challenge, as you can see in your challenge page.

Rejection Comment: Time control is incorrect for tourney challenge. Please resubmit using 3-day limit.

Forfeit timeout of 30 days is incorrect per tournament rule. Please re-challenge with 3-day timeout.

[joblack]

Guess I'm not too familiar with this format. Don't know what 3-day limit means or 3-day timeout. Sorry. Anyhow I re-challenged.

[Comet]

Hello john white,

The tournament directory wrote: This is a ten player tournament, all play all. Time control 3 days. Player with white pieces to arrange game.

Please familiarize yourself with the rules. Game PaceThe only rule reguarding time between moves is the forfeit-timeout setting that is indicated in every challenge. You can read more about that at the bottom of this page.

Automatic Game Forfeit

*** Update January 22, 2001 ***

We now have a Forfeit Timout Period which is set in each Challenge. The Forfeit Timeout Period for all games created before January 22, 2001 is 30 days (what it always was before). The forfeit routine now checks the Forfeit Timeout period when checking for abandoned games.

Every day a process runs to clean up abandoned games. When a game has not had any activity for x days, it will be FORFEITED by the player who abandoned the game. (Where x is the Forfeit Timeout period for each game)

I will walk you through the process for you to submit a valid challenge for this tourney.

When submitting a challenge, you are requested to fill out various bits of information.

1. Identify yourself: (Specify Your Nickname and Your Password)
2. What type of Challenge do you want to make? (Specify Private to: (All or part of the Nickname you want to challenge)
3. After you enter the information above, click the Continue button:
4. The player you are challenging: Ensure that the player you want to challenge has the radio button active
5. What do you want the Forfeit Timeout setting to be?This is the length of time (in days) that a game can sit without a move being made.Choose 3 from the drop-down list
6. What color do you want to play in this game? (I want to be White)
7. What pace do you expect to keep in this game?Choose many, one, or perhaps one or two... moves
8. Comment to be shown with the challenge: (not required) Indicate this is a tournament challenge.
9. When you have completed all options above, click on the Finish button:

[Comet]

Hi mickey.

I disagree with your thought that I am taking the point to extremes, as I have simply provided the information that joblack stated he lacked as to how to follow your posted time control.

You posted the following description of the tournament:

This is a ten player tournament, all play all. Time control 3 days. Player with white pieces to arrange game.

You also had written:

It has been pointed out that one of the first round games has been arranged with an incorrect time control. Their are two options open to me, I could ask stan to change it or have assurance from the players concerned that the "30" day limit set will not be enforced.

Note that I was NOT the person who reported this issue in the first round, and I have always acted according to your guidance, by creating challenges for each round where I hold the white pieces, an setting up the 3-day time control.

Please understand that I am simply trying to be helpful in giving the information and explanations that joblack needed in order to ensure that the tournament does not drag over months. Note that the text I gave quotes verbatim from Stan's descriptions, and I added some emphasis and explanation of the use of the various fields to be in line with what you, as tournament director, stated was the correct time control--an issue which has, as you indicated, already been pointed out to you as having affected some players.

For myself, I will accept challenges that abide by your tournament description, and reject those that do not. I will be friendly and helpful, taking time to ensure that the other party is not acting out of ignorance, by giving them the information they need. If anyone were to persist in willfully ignoring the conditions of the tournament that were posted by you at the beginning, to which I accepted, then I will certainly report them to you! After all, if I were to accept incorrect time control, you would either need to get Stan to change it, or the incorrect time control would not be enforced (necessitating both players to keep track of the correct 3-day time control manually, and report any game forfeits due to 3-day violation for you to enter into the tournament scoreboard).

[pawnpusher 47]

I guess I'll put my two cents in for what its worth, I'll have to agree with Comet on this one. The tournament was suppose to have 3 day time control as to
keep it from running on for months and months like allot of tourneys have, I think this was a great idea by the tournament director and I don't think its that
hard to set a challenge for the correct time control. For the record I was the one who had asked Mick about the time control not being correct on all the games. I
also like to follow some of the other games in the tourney and it is hard to do without a game number and or incorrect time control

[joblack]

Does a "3 day time control" mean that we only have 3 days to make the challenge. If so I guess I might have failed to give it the attention that I should have. However being new to this 'tournaments' and the format is my excuse.
Does this mean I forfeit my game to Comet?

[joblack]

Sorry I've played 2267 games here and have never even noticed that particular "drop-down list". My bad!!

[Comet]

If mickeypoll is consistent, he won't make you forfeit, just because you didn't submit a valid challenge in a timely fashion. But you're quite right to ask--in over-the-board tournaments, your opponent may start the clock before you show up at the table, if you are late for the event.

Here, I know that mickeypoll is nicer. On a previous round, my opponent sent me no challenge, and mickeypoll asked if I would mind submitting the challenge myself *as black*, just to help out, and I did so.

And, joblack, I recommend you read the New Player Tips.

Pace of Game. The speed at which a game is played between two players at Stan’s NetChess is not fully controlled. There are two parameters, one is controlled and one is not. The Forfeit parameter defines the maximum number of days before a player must make a move. This can be set to 3, 7, 14, 21 or 30 days. In addition a player can have up to 30 days of vacation a year. The second parameter is called Pace and it has four settings: 1-2 moves a week, 1 move a day, 2-3 moves a day, and many moves a day. Because of time zone differences it may not always be possible to make 2-3 moves a day. This means there are really two settings – 1 move a day and 1-2 moves a week. Whichever pace you pick please try and move at that pace. If you have any personal difficulties then post a Public Message so that your opponents know what is going on.