Leaving

[ZorMaster]

Leaving
« Thread Started Today at 7:21am »
Was my pleasure to be here so long and often I had a lot fun.
I have played here many many games. But to many unbeatable players without any OTB rating or being a member by any chess federation or chess club and with ratings here over 2900 made me stop. Also the very negative and often rude comments to me, made me stop playing.
All the kind people i wish you good times,good health and maybe we meet someday in OTB,cc or in other situations.

I thank Stan for the time he invest in his fine site and wish you goodbye.

Natacha

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[Stan Steliga]

Thanks for all of your time and support at the site Natacha. I'm sorry to hear you are leaving. Please come back anytime.

[sisyfos]

I'm sorry to hear that you're leaving, Natasha.

You're using your emotions a lot in your games and that's very rare at your level. I wish you good luck in life and OTB.

[ZorMaster]

It is good we are not all the same in emotions and actions.
My nature is sometimes very extending,in games and in personal life and is also a typical East Europe attitude,furious,social.emotions, etc.

As born Russian i have a lot of both parents in me

Well it was me a pleasure to match u as one of the finest players and in every bone a gentleman. God Bless and maybe my new partner can turn me around and "force"me to stay. on the other hand my daughter and my work as Med doctor and study for my specialism cost also a lot of time.

[dim7th]

It has taken me a long time to say this, and I say it sincerely, all is forgiven by me. Our last game ended a bit rudely and I am completely over it now. I wish you all the best Zor (Natasha)
Steve Freeman (dim7th)

[smilesbyliles]

Have you really left, I saw your on the message board, I was playing and never been here before and saw you on, unless I am misreading things, how are the family, I believe grown since we last had battle. Maybe they could distract you enough to give me a chance against you. I hope it is going well and if you have left it is a great loss to Stan's

[lordking]

well natasha sorry to hear that your leaving we played a couple of games of course you always won anyways if you want to play a fun game just let me know GOD bless you and your family wish you the best:)

[skyward]

Yes, ZorMaster seems to be on the Message Board almost daily which is strange for someone who has left. I'm sorry to see you leave ZorMaster however I believe some of your frustration is your own fault. You made a habit of accusing players of cheating. When you accused me you had also accused 4 other players. You even threatened players telling them that you would report them to Stan. I got angry at you because you accused me unprofessionally. I had never beat you. It's one thing to ask someone if they are cheating. It's another to accuse someone. Again, I'm sorry to see you leave but I believe some of your frustrations with Stan's was your own doing. Whatever you decide, leave or stay I wish you and your family much success and happiness.

[ZorMaster]

If i want to log in for 24 h a day that is up to me,I am subscriber.My Subscription Expires on: July 10, 2010.

[skyward]

I love the message board because one can write what they feel. Thank you slappy for your comments. When looking at your page there is no name, e-mail address and no games being played. Great to jump on board and criticize others you know little about. I think she must have been speaking about players like you. If one listened to your lack of intelligence one would think that all players 2300 and above are cheaters. Thank God I have never reached that status! To clarify, I also believe there are those who play at Stan's as well as many other on-line chess sites who silently use chess software or help. That is part of playing on-line. Usually one can tell these players apart. I was tempted to do so a while back when I installed a chess program I was advised to get to improve my game. This advice came from a player on this web site. While the software helped me improve my game it was to tempting to cheat. I stopped using it. Your more then welcome to challenge me to a game slappy. I love your cut and run character. Stab the web site and a whole host of players with your comments and then run. It's ironic that you blessed Stan with such kind words and yet trashed his web site at the same time. Have a nice day slappy. :0)

[doubtfulguest]

I think there is a bit of rating inaccuracy on the site. I'm over 2300 (just barely), and I've never used an engine (what's the fun in that, I wonder?), and this is way above my USCF OTB rating (around 1800).

So part of it may be a bad rating metric, but part of it is just how well you use your time. In a critical position, I will often spend an hour or more analyzing lines. I figure most people aren't willing to invest that sort of time for a single move, which gives me a leg up. In any case, I don't think it's quite fair to say that there are too many super-strong players here, or that they must be cheating.

I am definitely not "super strong". It's just an artifact of correspondence chess that some people tend to play above their OTB level, given the massive amounts of time a person might be willing to spend on a move.

I should also say that I regularly play people around the 2300-2400 level, and I have not ever felt like they were cheating. When I lose, I can clearly see where I failed to grasp the "bigger picture", and I find the results of such losses quite edifying. I know what it feels like to lose against a computer. It's like bashing your head against a brick wall. Every move you choose feels "bad" after the computer's reply. I never got that feeling from my games here.

For those of you who feel like others are cheating, I'd just suggest you break out a physical chess board and play through lines, carefully making notes and assessing critical moves. You'll find your results improve dramatically, and you learn a lot, too. There was one game I played, where I analyzed to mate from out of the opening. Admittedly, the circumstances were quite particular to that game, but it facilitated some very easy "deep" calculation, provided you were willing to put in the time (which I was). Easily the most satisfying game I ever played. Interestingly, a similar line came up in a OTB tournament, and I remembered the Stan's Netchess game. I spent about an hour thinking OTB, trying to remember how it went, which surely irritated my opponent, but when I had finished, the guy was toast. I whipped out the rest of the moves almost immediately. Incidentally, he was rated 2000 (IRL). You can learn a lot from correspondence chess, so long as you use it as an opportunity to practice thinking deeply.

I'm sure there are cheaters on the site, but from my own experience, I can't say as I feel like it's a serious problem. It's probably less of an issue than on yahoo, playchess, or ICC. After all, what kind of a freak is willing to put in months of work relaying computer moves just for the thrill of seeming to beat someone else?

[ZorMaster]

After 9 days of hard work i had some time to look at the board. Yahoo is bad and rude. Playchess and ICC( I was moderator at ICC for 2 years)and for. Oth sites it is not possible to cheat there because you cannot play cor.chess but only 'otb' games by pc and both have software to detect cheats within 8 or 9 moves. You get 1 warning to stop cheating and if not U lose and get. Penalty and an second time your account is closed and yoyr ip on ban for one year and no refund of money. Playchess by the german makers from Fritz: idem as ICC ,d also the same at chesscube and a few more. I have 2200 plus FIDE as WFM and I always said my 2800 was far over rated but my knowledge made me win in many game by combination play.Stan is 100 percent OK and indeed an gentleman. I also give during games my tactic to my opps and also my game philosophy(was almost impossible for others to do so. Nevertheless, I had a fine time and fun and made a friend for life(sdr46) My warmest regards to all. Bye, Tas

[doubtfulguest]

I'm not sure how playchess or ICC check for cheaters (they probably don't want to publicize that), but I have no doubt that plenty of people do cheat. How do you stop someone from just running an engine on a different computer and relaying moves? A lot of people these days have more than one computer. How do you stop someone from running a virtual OS and running their engine on top of that? There's just no way to eliminate cheating completely.

The easiest way to stop cheating is just to take away the motivation. The slow pace and general decorum of correspondence chess seems to me very conducive to eliminating the motivation to cheat in the first place. Look, you're welcome to claim that the place is rife with cheating. And you're welcome to leave if you like. I don't know you, I never played you, I have no problem with you, and I just don't care whether you stay or go. I just think it's not very nice to accuse the site generally of being full of cheaters, when it does not seem like that to me at all.

If you're going to leave, then I'm sure we'll all get along fine in your absence. Why make such a fuss about it?

[skyward]

Ah slappy, welcome back. I see your a real expert at these things. For someone who threatened not to come back and check on comments I noticed you were checking in almost daily. Thanks for clarifying your intentions. I still stand on what I said based on your original comments. Your one of those players with no name, no e-mail address, a non-subscriber who has only played one game against a player rated above 2300. That player was a provisional player. What gives you the right to critizise players rated 2300 and above on Challenge Central you know nothing about? You've never played them. Do you have any proof? I recently lost a game to a provisional player, his first game, and his rating was automaticly 2600 plus. He must be a cheater according to your logic. I think his super high rating has something to do with Stan's rating system and nothing to do with this player cheating. Since you don't play any players over 2300 to experience whether they are cheaters or not you are full of hot air. At least ZorMaster played many players over 2300. Why I challenge you is because you have no substance. While I disagree with ZorMasters tactics in accusing players of cheating she had and has substance. This is something you lack. I'll give you some credit when you put a name and e-mail address on your page and even more credit when you become a subscriber. Have a nice day slappy.

[sisyfos]

I'd like to remark that Stan's rating isn't an Elo rating and shouldn't be compared to any of the national or FIDE ratings many players have. Stan's rating is simplified and has a tendency to inflate.

Coincidently, there's a New Rating at Stan's - but unfortunately it's not being updated anymore.

www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_publication.cgi?nrs-norms-main?nowidthlimit

It's a lot more accurate and compatible with our 'normal' rating - although it still seems to have a problem in the top and bottom.