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Post by perseus on Mar 20, 2006 9:30:19 GMT -5
Any good examples of getting a draw or win from the jaws of defeat. I should have resigned aeons ago, but I still had a dog's chance in hell and I perservered, or I wanted to give my opponent extra practice (serves him right for spotting my blunder). Or conversely, conceding a draw or even losing from a certain win position. e.g. www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?339739?25b??largeBc2 for white (me) was obvious but in the fog of a blurry cold morning, I played a move that lost the game (I had not had my morning cuppa tea) I am sure I have plenty of examples. It is just picking the best one! This is not a very good one, but occurred just before my own blunder: www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?337856?25b?black?largeNot only had I (black) been losing, but I had been down and out for quite a few moves, if I was ever not behind. But the gremlins were on the side of black that day. |
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Post by Diet_Coke is better than chess on Mar 20, 2006 19:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by perseus on Mar 21, 2006 5:19:10 GMT -5
90 move game. Of course, it is better if your opponent refuses a draw and then you defeat him! |
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Post by perseus on Mar 21, 2006 5:25:34 GMT -5
In this game: www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?346059?33w??largeI was in a little difficulty on account of being a Queen and Rook down and just should the opponent make a blunder, he a good passed pawn as well. Should I resign? Not quite yet, 33 ......... h6 was the "planned" temptation. Only a check move was a saving grace. Unfortunately, the opponent missed the danger of Draw by Repetition (Perpetual Check) completely, and he did not fall for an attempted stalemate later either. Next time I will resign. |
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Post by Diet_Coke is better than chess on Mar 21, 2006 7:55:28 GMT -5
90 move game. Of course, it is better if your opponent refuses a draw and then you defeat him! Better than them refusing a draw and then beating you. Although having a draw refused and then getting the draw is satisfying as well. I have a current game where my opponent is a rook ahead and so refuses to see his king can't escape from my checks. Maybe 20 checks later will change his mind. ;D www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?343733??black?Shows what I know. |
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Post by Diet_Coke is better than chess on Mar 21, 2006 7:56:48 GMT -5
In this game: www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?346059?33w??largeI was in a little difficulty on account of being a Queen and Rook down and just should the opponent make a blunder, he a good passed pawn as well. Should I resign? Not quite yet, 33 ......... h6 was the "planned" temptation. Only a check move was a saving grace. Unfortunately, the opponent missed the danger of Draw by Repetition (Perpetual Check) completely, and he did not fall for an attempted stalemate later either. Next time I will resign. Apparently you play on till your opponent cannot blunder. Not advice I take to heart.  |
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Post by yitwail on Mar 21, 2006 10:17:49 GMT -5
Although having a draw refused and then getting the draw is satisfying as well. what if the opponent subsequently offers a draw, after earlier refusing your draw request? is there a temptation to retaliate in kind by refusing, and is the temptation greater if you have a higher rating than your opponent? |
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Post by Diet_Coke is better than chess on Mar 21, 2006 10:57:01 GMT -5
Although having a draw refused and then getting the draw is satisfying as well. what if the opponent subsequently offers a draw, after earlier refusing your draw request? is there a temptation to retaliate in kind by refusing, and is the temptation greater if you have a higher rating than your opponent? Down that route lies bad things. www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?321192 I had just started taking my chess seriously, using book openings and actually trying. Which soon stopped. Ah, well. |
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Post by yitwail on Mar 21, 2006 12:16:50 GMT -5
since you're philosophical about it, i presume it won't add insult to injury to observe that instead of resigning, Rb8, intending Rc8, would have drawn? unless i'm missing something glaring, only way to prevent Rc8, followed by black K attacking & winning the passed pawn, is Rc7 by white, but then black K goes to c5 then b6 and the pawn's still lost. |
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Post by Diet_Coke is better than chess on Mar 21, 2006 13:02:09 GMT -5
I didn't resign because of the position. ;D
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Post by yitwail on Mar 21, 2006 13:14:21 GMT -5
I didn't resign because of the position. ;D good! i think i understand. |
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Post by perseus on Mar 21, 2006 20:07:53 GMT -5
90 move game. Of course, it is better if your opponent refuses a draw and then you defeat him! Better than them refusing a draw and then beating you. Although having a draw refused and then getting the draw is satisfying as well. I have a current game where my opponent is a rook ahead and so refuses to see his king can't escape from my checks. Maybe 20 checks later will change his mind. ;D www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?343733??black?Shows what I know. That is an amazing ending! I have not checked it out more than about 15 moves |
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Post by perseus on Mar 24, 2006 15:11:55 GMT -5
The threads have just disappeared , not gone for good. I searched for the search and when I found it I searched for "jaws".
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Post by perseus on Apr 1, 2006 16:30:49 GMT -5
One possible ploy if the opponent shows no sign of resigning and the end is a long one would be to challenge the opponent to the next game.
Mostly, I need the practice at the end games. Need practice at the openings as well, and the middle games come to think of it ....
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Post by perseus on Apr 10, 2006 8:43:14 GMT -5
Played OTB on Saturday and got massacred after an early blunder, but won by a fluke ....
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 g6 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. Be2 O-O 7. O-O a6 8. b4
dxc4 9. Bxc4 b5 10. Be2 Bb7 11. Bb2 Nc6 12. Qc2 Nxb4 13. Qb3 Nbd5 14. Rad1 Rc8
15. a3 Qe7 16. h3 c5 17. Rfe1 c4 18. Qc2 Rfd8 19. Bf1 Nxc3 20. Bxc3 Qxa3 21.
Ra1 Qd6 22. e4 Qc6 23. Nd2 Rd7 24. d5 exd5 25. e5 Ne8 26. Nf3 Nc7 27. Rad1 Ne6
28. Nd4 Nxd4 29. Bxd4 Re8 30. Qc3 Rde7 31. e6 Bxd4 32. exf7+ Kxf7 33. Rxe7+
Rxe7 34. Qxd4 Qf6 35. Qd2 Rd7 36. Re1 d4 37. Qe2 d3 38. Qe8+ Kg7 39. Qxd7+ Kh6
40. Qxb7 d2 41. Rd1 c3 42. Qe4 a5 43. Bxb5 *
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