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Post by perseus on Jun 16, 2006 1:51:09 GMT -5
Winning or losing? I don't know! www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?350489???I am white with an exposed King and disconnected pawns. However, I may have the impetus/initiative, but I can find that this fades away .... No hints as the game is still in progress. My betting that Black has got a fraction ahead (or always was as I made a blunder and I was lucky still to be in the game). General comments on the difficulty assessing middle game winning and losing positions appreciated. |
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Post by yitwail on Jun 16, 2006 10:43:25 GMT -5
no better than a draw for you, in my opinion. you have a passed pawn, but it's a long way from promoting, and 2 bishops are a plus, but black's knight has good squares to move to. can't say anymore without giving hints.
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Post by perseus on Jun 17, 2006 4:01:59 GMT -5
Is a bishop better than a Knight? Might be as the board gets less congested.
Passed pawn on the Rook's file, or a connected pawn in the centre?
Without hints (not wanted), it does seem one of those games, I cannot see any way to make an ounce of headway. Too many games can end up like that. No gloroius sacrificial attacks, not even subtle strategic advantages. Just endless patience, not my strong point as OTB and even early in the morning or late at night at Stan's I can lose concentration.
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Post by yitwail on Jun 17, 2006 9:16:06 GMT -5
bishop would be better if there are targets on both kingside & queenside. but since everything except for your rook pawn is clustered on the kingside, the knight holds its own.
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Post by perseus on Jun 17, 2006 11:26:23 GMT -5
The whole point is to make an anlysis so I can decide tactics or strategy. More than just counting the squares the opponent's knight and other pieces can move to in the immediate future. e.g. my relatively exposed King is less exposed if there are no Queens on the board, and my Rook's pawn may or may not be stronger  without Queens Against that is that if I have a fraction on the impetus, it is better if I have still have my Queen. My feeling is that an experienced player could weight up the chances of each side and what to do quite quickly. It is nigh impossible for me. Lack of experience. |
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Post by yitwail on Jun 19, 2006 9:40:44 GMT -5
precisely, the position's dynamic, so you have to anticipate how it will evolve, but you still have to start with its current state: pawn structure, king safety, piece acitivity, etc.
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Post by perseus on Jun 19, 2006 18:00:20 GMT -5
Experience counts. The game constitutes an experience.
I am always respectful of opponents who have played lots of games. They will, by experience, seen things I haven't seen before.
It looks like a draw to me, but I have to play on to see what EVOLVES !
The Half Blind Watchmaker
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Post by yitwail on Jun 20, 2006 9:20:37 GMT -5
The Half Blind Watchmaker ;D |
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Post by Blockhead on Jun 22, 2006 9:51:18 GMT -5
I found this dialog, interesting and insightful.
Given best play I'd favour white's chances.
IMO white presently has a spacial advantage. This combined with the a5 passed pawn - which may well be the focus attention in next few moves! This could lead to other tactical possibilities for white when black is forced to divert resources to prevent promotion.
Of course general ideas needed to formulate a plan, then the plan into a sequence of moves ... :}
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Post by yitwail on Jun 22, 2006 10:49:26 GMT -5
aha, we may have a 3-way difference of opinion! it might be fun to discuss the game in more detail after it's been completed.
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Post by perseus on Jun 30, 2006 18:21:37 GMT -5
For the record , white has achieved his plan and avoided an accidental defeat, but a draw still seems the most likely outcome: www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?350489???Even to forecast a draw was a bit of a challenge. If anybody sees any different, they are either a quantum leap ahead on experience, or a genius (to my eyes). I expect positions as originally surmised, indicate a huge leap from Category 2 to Category 1. Whereas certain experienced chess players can weigh it up in an instant, mere mortals can make merely an educated guess. This is the theme. The game is not finished. The real expereince question is about the disconnected pawns. How can they ever expect to make it home? Learning all the time This is just best sus though. I had not real idea at the time. Notes for now. Discussion after the game, unless you have anything better to do (probably). |
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Post by Blockhead on Jul 11, 2006 8:50:57 GMT -5
Just endless patience, not my strong point as OTB and even early in the morning or late at night at Stan's I can lose concentration. IMO the very best OTB (and most CC too!) chess players are rightly impatient. Treading water, awaiting events, may in some positions be the best course of action however, whatever the position, I am not happy being able to only make one move ... I am so impatient! :} |
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Post by perseus on Jul 19, 2006 0:08:10 GMT -5
Winning or losing? I don't know! www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?350489???Opponent resigned under pressure of too many games. I would have made at least quite a lot of his moves if I was black, but I think he was too busy and did not move his Knight quite right? www.stansco.com/cgi-bin/nc_game.cgi?350489?43w??largeThe problem white (me) had after the Queens were swapped, is that I might just run out of pawns. I still had my Rook for a mate. I envisaged the possibility of being a piece up with no pawns on the Board but unable to complete a mate. That gave black the draw possibilities. |
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Post by Blockhead on Jul 19, 2006 5:28:02 GMT -5
The problem white (me) had after the Queens were swapped, is that I might just run out of pawns. I still had my Rook for a mate. I envisaged the possibility of being a piece up with no pawns on the Board but unable to complete a mate. That gave black the draw possibilities. Well played perseus! Much is often made of 'looking ahead' to the end game. I prefer to focus most of my attention on the 'what is going on' of the present. In that way I feel I am much more likely to be able to arrive at the end game. Or, if I am very lucky, finish it before then!  IMO your passed a pawn always the key to the final outcome of this game. That your opponent resigned because he unable to cope with the number of games is hardly a satisfactory explanation, in that the number of games he chose to play a matter for him! Wherever possible one should always try to play the optimum number of games, this a function of inclination, motivation, and available time. For me this is usually around 10. |
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Post by perseus on Jul 19, 2006 9:38:42 GMT -5
I hardly have time or the experience to think ahead to the end game. However, if the opponent is a bit slow, I just might feel so inclined, if I can work out how, which I can't.
Rules for the endgame
Pawn ahead exchange pieces
Pawn down, exchange pawns
Push passed pawns
If in this game he could have tried to take my passed pawn with his Knight .....?
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without Queens 
